Optical Disc Drive Compatibility: CD

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===Notes regarding specific drives and capabilities===
===Notes regarding specific drives and capabilities===
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*IDE models can be used on laptops or desktops using a [[IDE SATA to USB Adapter compatibility|USB Adapter]]. UGREEN / Kingwin brands are often recommended but anything using the [https://www.google.com/search?q=IS611+USB3.0-SATA%2BIDE+Bridge+Controller Innostor IS611 chipset]
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*IDE models can be used on laptops or desktops using a [[IDE and SATA adapter compatibility|USB Adapter]]. UGREEN / Kingwin brands are often recommended but anything using the [https://www.google.com/search?q=IS611+USB3.0-SATA%2BIDE+Bridge+Controller Innostor IS611 chipset]
*Additionally, IDE models can be used on a Desktop tower with a cheap card, or with a 5.25" IDE USB enclosure (can be found on eBay or similar, but supply might be scarce).
*Additionally, IDE models can be used on a Desktop tower with a cheap card, or with a 5.25" IDE USB enclosure (can be found on eBay or similar, but supply might be scarce).
*SATA drives can be hard to find or expensive, it may be easier to buy an IDE model + IDE->USB adapter. Note that most IDE adapters also support SATA drives also.
*SATA drives can be hard to find or expensive, it may be easier to buy an IDE model + IDE->USB adapter. Note that most IDE adapters also support SATA drives also.
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==LG & ASUS Drives==
==LG & ASUS Drives==
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'''Plextors are preferable, as more testing is needed for these.'''
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'''Plextors are preferable, as more testing is needed for these''' <br>
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*Dumps from the following drives (with good firmware) will be accepted under the following circumstances:
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'''Dumps from LG/ASUS drives have caveats and may not be acceptable in some circumstances.''' <br>
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'''If you want a drive that is acceptable for all CDs, get a Plextor above'''
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*Dumps from the following drives (with compatible firmware) will be accepted under the following circumstances:
**They are new discs or verifications of CDs consisting only of a single data track
**They are new discs or verifications of CDs consisting only of a single data track
**They are '''verifications''' of Data CDs that also have audio tracks
**They are '''verifications''' of Data CDs that also have audio tracks
*For pure Audio CDs, we are presently only accepting dumps made with [[Redumper]] and drives from the list of Recommended Plextors above.
*For pure Audio CDs, we are presently only accepting dumps made with [[Redumper]] and drives from the list of Recommended Plextors above.
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Please note that the below drive models are not sufficient to determine if your drive is compatible with the [[Flashing Custom JB8 Firmware | recommended custom firmware]], you can determine if it will be compatible by reading the [http://web.archive.org/web/20211108135730/https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/83QAAOSwIrBgrSQT/s-l1600.jpg sticker's manufacturing date] and the [https://web.archive.org/web/20211108135730/https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429374270607720461/693522730414374932/IMG_20200328_190956.jpg PCB date code] on your drive. PCB code '''JB7 2011.11.17''' and older designs are '''not''' [[Flashing Custom JB8 Firmware | cross-flashable to the recommended custom firmware]], but are acceptable for some single-track Data CDs if used with a firmware that supports scrambled reading. Before buying any of the drives below, we recommend you check that the date of production is 2016 or later with a PCB code '''JB8 2015.05.08''' (some late 2015 models may be compatible, you ''must'' ensure it is a JB8 drive).
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===Background===
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LG and ASUS branded blu-ray drives manufactured by [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitachi-LG_Data_Storage HLDS] using the MT1959 chipset have most of the features required for redump-standard CD dumps.
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To determine if your LG/ASUS drive is redump compatible, it is not sufficient to know the model name, you must also read the [http://web.archive.org/web/20211108135730/https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/83QAAOSwIrBgrSQT/s-l1600.jpg sticker's manufacturing date] and the [https://web.archive.org/web/20211108135730/https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/429374270607720461/693522730414374932/IMG_20200328_190956.jpg PCB date code] to know what your drive is internally.
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There are at least four "platforms" made by HLDS that use the MT1959 chipset: '''JB9''', '''JB8''', '''JB7''', '''JBC5'''. The drives based on the newer '''JB8''' platform are what redump recommends if you are looking to make a purchase.
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If you are not using the custom firmware, only certain firmware versions will work with Redumper and/or DiscImageCreator. The below firmware versions are known official firmware versions that support scrambled reading, however they are not all currently supported by Redumper out-of-the-box (will work with custom flags). Other MT1959-based drives with firmware that supports scrambled reading may be acceptable given further testing, however they should be purchased only by those willing to invest their time and money in testing and on the understanding that they may eventually prove to be incompatible for use by Redump.
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===Compatible Models===
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CD-ROMs with some write offsets are not acceptable for new disc redump submission (i.e. if Redumper has "LG/ASUS: searching lead-out in cache" in the log).
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Redump verifications are acceptable for all CD-ROMs when using '''JB9''', '''JB8''' (only firmware versions listed below), '''JB7''', and '''JBC5''' drives, regardless of write-offset.
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Only drives with the '''JB8''' platform can be cross-flashed to the [[Flashing Custom JB8 Firmware | custom '''JB8''' firmware]] that makes all CD-ROM dumps acceptable for new discs.
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The below table outlines only retail model numbers that are known to have at least some drives released on the '''JB8''' platform.
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The 'Compatible Firmware' column lists the firmware version for '''JB8''' drives that are acceptable for verifications no matter the write offset.
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If you are not using the [[Flashing Custom JB8 Firmware |custom '''JB8''' firmware]], only certain firmware versions will work out-of-the-box with Redumper (use [https://github.com/superg/redumper?tab=readme-ov-file#generic-drives-feature-evaluation-guide custom flags]).
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'''Half-height SATA drive models'''
 
{| class="wikitable sortable"
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! scope="col" style="width: 140px;" | Model !! Compatible Firmware !! Notes
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! scope="col" style="width: 140px;" | Model !! Compatible Official<br>JB8 Firmware !! Notes
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| Asus BC-12D2HT ✱|| 3.00 || BD Reader only (cannot burn Blu-rays).
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| Asus BC-12D2HT ✱|| 3.00 || BD Reader only (cannot burn Blu-rays). Older models are '''JBC5'''.
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| Asus BW-16D1HT ✱|| 3.00, 3.02 || Recommended, well tested. "BW-16D1HT PRO" model is identical.<br> '''Note''': The "BW-16D1HT a" ('''a''' suffix, found on Aliexpress) is not supported.
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| Asus BW-16D1HT ✱|| Up to 3.02 || "BW-16D1HT PRO" model is identical. Older models are '''JB7'''.<br> '''Note''': The "BW-16D1HT a" ('''a''' suffix, found on Aliexpress) is not '''JB8'''.
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| LG BH14NS58 || 1.00 ||  
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| LG UH12NS40 || 1.00 || BD Reader only (cannot burn Blu-rays). CH12NS40 is untested.
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| LG BH16NS40  ✱|| 1.00, 1.02, 1.03 ||  
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| LG WH14NS40 ✱|| Up to 1.02 || Only newer models (SVC code NS50) are '''JB8'''.
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| LG BH16NS55 || 1.00, 1.01, 1.02 ||  
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| LG BH14NS40 ✱|| Up to 1.01 || Only newer models (SVC code NS50) are '''JB8'''.
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| LG BH16NS58 || 1.00 ||  
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| LG BH16NS40 ✱|| Up to 1.03 || Only newer models (SVC code NS51) are '''JB8'''.
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| LG UH12NS40 || 1.00 || BD Reader only (cannot burn Blu-rays).
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| LG WH16NS40 ✱|| Up to 1.02 || Only newer models (SVC code NS51) are '''JB8'''.
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| LG BH16NS50 ✱|| 1.00 || Korea-only model? Older models (2015, v0495) untested, may be '''JB7'''
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| LG BH16NS55 || Up to 1.02 ||
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| LG WH14NS40  ✱|| 1.00, 1.01, 1.02 ||  
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| LG BH14NS58 || 1.00 only || Japan-only model?
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| LG WH16NS40  ✱|| 1.02 ||  
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| LG BH16NS58 || 1.00 only || Japan-only model?
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| LG WH16NS58 || 1.00 || VER:"1.V1" untested.
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| LG BH16NS60 || 1.00 || '''JB9'''-based drive. Can be cross-flashed to '''JB8''' firmware.
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| LG WH16NS60 || 1.00 || '''JB9'''-based drive. Can be cross-flashed to '''JB8''' firmware.
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| LG WH16NS60 || 1.00 || JB9-based drive. Can be cross-flashed to custom firmware.
 
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✱ Older productions of these drives (PCB code '''JB7 2011.11.17''') are not [[Flashing Custom JB8 Firmware | cross-flashable to the recommended custom firmware]].
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✱ Older (approx 2015 and earlier) productions of these drives (PCB code '''JB7 2011.11.17''' or '''JBC5 2012.05.02''') are not cross-flashable to the [[Flashing Custom JB8 Firmware | recommended custom '''JB8''' firmware]] and may brick your drive if you attempt to flash it.
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Other MT1959-based drives may be acceptable in the future given further testing, however they should be purchased only by those willing to invest their time and money in testing and on the understanding that they may eventually prove to be incompatible for use by Redump.
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'''Technical Note''': In theory, the JB8 drives with good firmware can produce good dumps for mixed-mode CDs when there is a negative combined offset (disc write offset of less than -6, as JB8 has a read offset of +6). DIC and Redumper are able to dump CDs with greater than -6 write offset by reading the drive's cache, however it is not always reliable. The recommended custom firmware avoids having to read from the cache to dump discs with any write offset (as well as enables unlimited lead-out reading), therefore a JB8 drive with the custom firmware should in theory produce good dumps for any mixed-mode CD. The only technical limitation for audio CDs is the inability to read the first 15 of the 150 sectors in the pregap. This is not a problematic limitation however as the majority of audio CDs do not have audio data that far into the pregap, and [[Redumper]] can alert the user for CDs where this occurs. Despite all this, all discs should be dumped twice to ensure matching hashes, and Redump is not currently accepting new submissions for mixed-mode or audio CDs using JB8 drives until further testing is done to obtain the same level of confidence as Plextor dumps. For more info, see the detailed notes at [[Compatible LG/ASUS Optical Drives]]
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====Technical Details (Optional Reading)====
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In theory, the MT1959-based drives can produce good dumps for mixed-mode CDs when there is a negative combined offset (disc write offset of less than -6, as MT1959 has a read offset of +6). DIC and Redumper are able to dump CDs with greater than -6 write offset by reading the drive's cache, however it is not always reliable and as such is not acceptable for new disc submissions in redump. The recommended custom '''JB8''' firmware avoids having to read from the cache to dump CDs with any write offset (as well as enables unlimited lead-out reading), therefore a '''JB8''' drive with the custom firmware should in theory produce good dumps for any mixed-mode CD. The only technical limitation for audio CDs is the inability to read the first 15 of the 150 sectors in the pregap. This is not a problematic limitation however as the majority of audio CDs do not have audio data that far into the pregap, and [[Redumper]] can alert the user for CDs where this occurs. Despite all this, all discs should always be dumped twice to ensure matching hashes, and Redump is not currently accepting new submissions for mixed-mode or audio CDs using '''JB8''' drives until further testing is done to obtain the same level of confidence as Plextor dumps. For more info, see the detailed research notes at [[Compatible LG/ASUS Optical Drives]]
[[Category:Optical Disc Drives]]
[[Category:Optical Disc Drives]]

Latest revision as of 13:47, 11 February 2025

A list of Optical disc drives compatible with the Compact Disc format (CD-ROM, CD-Audio, etc) which includes many retro console discs.

See also: Optical Disc Drive Compatibility and Optical Disc Drives: CD Incompatible

Contents

Plextor brand Drives

Proper CD dumping requires optical disc drives to support a range of features. Certain models of Plextor brand drives in particular are most compatible and reliable.

Best Plextor Models: Easiest & Recommended

Your drive should have the final firmware installed. The final firmware is linked below on archive.org for most models.

Model IDE SATA SCSI USB USB/Firewire Notes Multisession¹
Premium Premium Premium-U The Premium is sometimes referred to as the PX-W5232TA. Yes
Premium2 Premium2 Premium2U  ?
PX-708 PX-708A PX-708UF The PX-704A is seemingly a cut-down PX-708A, only sold in China and
rebadged in Japan (Buffalo DVM-H44FB, Kuroutoshikou DVDRWX4244PX).
The PX-704A is not yet tested, buy with caution. 		 ?
PX-712 PX-712A PX-712SA PX-712UF The PX-708A2 / PX-708UF2 is seemingly a cut-down PX-712A / PX-712UF2.
The PX-708A2 / PX-708UF2 is not yet tested, buy with caution. 		 ?
PX-716 PX-716A
Buffalo DVM-DM16FBS
PX-716AL 		PX-716SA Buffalo DVM-DM16U2 PX-716UF
PX-716UFL 		Buffalo DVM-DM16FBS / DVM-DM16U2 are rebadges of the PX-716A.
The China-only PX-714A is seemingly a cut-down PX-716A.
The PX-714A is not yet tested, buy with caution. 		Yes
PX-755 PX-755A PX-755SA PX-755UF Yes
PX-760 PX-760A PX-760SA PX-760AUF Yes
PX-W4012 PX-W4012A
PX-W4012TA 		PX-W4012S
PX-W4012TS 		PX-W4012U
PX-W4012TU 		Yes
PX-W5224 PX-W5224A
PX-W5224TA 		PX-W5224TU Yes

Plextor Drives with Known Limitations

Exercise caution, read notes before buying.

Model IDE SATA SCSI USB USB/Firewire Notes Multisession¹
PX-W4824 PX-W4824A
PX-W4824TA 		PX-W4824U
PX-W4824TU 		Not recommended to buy for dumping many Audio CDs / Enhanced CDs:
   1. Unable to read full lead-in (only 1 second of pregap is available)
   2. Illegal TOC discs may need dumping with --force-qtoc (Redumper) or /fulltoc (DIC)
   3. Some reports of issues with CD-Text on Multisession CDs
Otherwise, PX-W4824 dumps are still acceptable for most Audio CDs. 		Partial

Plextor Drives with Severe Limitations

DO NOT BUY! Some of these may be technically supported and capable of dumping certain types of CDs, but have various limitations or potential issues so are not recommended.

Model IDE SATA SCSI USB USB/Firewire Notes Multisession¹
PX-40 PX-40TS Scrambled mode is slow, no 0xBE opcode support (0xD8 only)  ?
PX-W1210 PX-W1210TS Model may have firmware bugs that affect offset, needs to be looked into.  ?
PX-W4220T PX-W4220T Model may have firmware bugs that affect offset, needs to be looked into.  ?

¹ Multisession support is regarded as compatible and accepted through the Redumper dumping tool.

Notes regarding specific drives and capabilities

  • IDE models can be used on laptops or desktops using a USB Adapter. UGREEN / Kingwin brands are often recommended but anything using the Innostor IS611 chipset
  • Additionally, IDE models can be used on a Desktop tower with a cheap card, or with a 5.25" IDE USB enclosure (can be found on eBay or similar, but supply might be scarce).
  • SATA drives can be hard to find or expensive, it may be easier to buy an IDE model + IDE->USB adapter. Note that most IDE adapters also support SATA drives also.
  • SCSI models can only be used with a Desktop tower with a cheap card (no laptops).

Suggested eBay search terms

To search ebay quickly, you can use the following searches. Only use one at a time, as otherwise the search text will be too long and it'll give an error.

  • (PX-760AUF, PX-755UF, PX-716UF, PX-716UFL, PX-712UF, PX-708UF, PX-708UF2, Plextor Premium2U, Plextor Premium-U, PX-W5224TU, PX-W4012TU, PX-760SA, PX-716SA, PX-712SA, PX-760A, PX-755A, PX-716A)
  • (DVM-DM16FBS, PX-716AL, PX-712A, PX-708A, PX-704A, DVM-H44FB, Plextor Premium2, Plextor Premium, PX-W5224A, PX-W5224TA, PX-W4012A, PX-W4012TA, PX-W4012U, PX-W4012S, PX-W4012TS)

LG & ASUS Drives

Plextors are preferable, as more testing is needed for these
Dumps from LG/ASUS drives have caveats and may not be acceptable in some circumstances.
If you want a drive that is acceptable for all CDs, get a Plextor above

  • Dumps from the following drives (with compatible firmware) will be accepted under the following circumstances:
    • They are new discs or verifications of CDs consisting only of a single data track
    • They are verifications of Data CDs that also have audio tracks
  • For pure Audio CDs, we are presently only accepting dumps made with Redumper and drives from the list of Recommended Plextors above.

Background

LG and ASUS branded blu-ray drives manufactured by HLDS using the MT1959 chipset have most of the features required for redump-standard CD dumps. To determine if your LG/ASUS drive is redump compatible, it is not sufficient to know the model name, you must also read the sticker's manufacturing date and the PCB date code to know what your drive is internally. There are at least four "platforms" made by HLDS that use the MT1959 chipset: JB9, JB8, JB7, JBC5. The drives based on the newer JB8 platform are what redump recommends if you are looking to make a purchase.

Compatible Models

CD-ROMs with some write offsets are not acceptable for new disc redump submission (i.e. if Redumper has "LG/ASUS: searching lead-out in cache" in the log). Redump verifications are acceptable for all CD-ROMs when using JB9, JB8 (only firmware versions listed below), JB7, and JBC5 drives, regardless of write-offset. Only drives with the JB8 platform can be cross-flashed to the custom JB8 firmware that makes all CD-ROM dumps acceptable for new discs. The below table outlines only retail model numbers that are known to have at least some drives released on the JB8 platform. The 'Compatible Firmware' column lists the firmware version for JB8 drives that are acceptable for verifications no matter the write offset. If you are not using the custom JB8 firmware, only certain firmware versions will work out-of-the-box with Redumper (use custom flags).

Model Compatible Official
JB8 Firmware 		Notes
Asus BC-12D2HT ✱ 3.00 BD Reader only (cannot burn Blu-rays). Older models are JBC5.
Asus BW-16D1HT ✱ Up to 3.02 "BW-16D1HT PRO" model is identical. Older models are JB7.
Note: The "BW-16D1HT a" (a suffix, found on Aliexpress) is not JB8.
LG UH12NS40 1.00 BD Reader only (cannot burn Blu-rays). CH12NS40 is untested.
LG WH14NS40 ✱ Up to 1.02 Only newer models (SVC code NS50) are JB8.
LG BH14NS40 ✱ Up to 1.01 Only newer models (SVC code NS50) are JB8.
LG BH16NS40 ✱ Up to 1.03 Only newer models (SVC code NS51) are JB8.
LG WH16NS40 ✱ Up to 1.02 Only newer models (SVC code NS51) are JB8.
LG BH16NS50 ✱ 1.00 Korea-only model? Older models (2015, v0495) untested, may be JB7
LG BH16NS55 Up to 1.02
LG BH14NS58 1.00 only Japan-only model?
LG BH16NS58 1.00 only Japan-only model?
LG WH16NS58 1.00 VER:"1.V1" untested.
LG BH16NS60 1.00 JB9-based drive. Can be cross-flashed to JB8 firmware.
LG WH16NS60 1.00 JB9-based drive. Can be cross-flashed to JB8 firmware.

✱ Older (approx 2015 and earlier) productions of these drives (PCB code JB7 2011.11.17 or JBC5 2012.05.02) are not cross-flashable to the recommended custom JB8 firmware and may brick your drive if you attempt to flash it.

Other MT1959-based drives may be acceptable in the future given further testing, however they should be purchased only by those willing to invest their time and money in testing and on the understanding that they may eventually prove to be incompatible for use by Redump.

Technical Details (Optional Reading)

In theory, the MT1959-based drives can produce good dumps for mixed-mode CDs when there is a negative combined offset (disc write offset of less than -6, as MT1959 has a read offset of +6). DIC and Redumper are able to dump CDs with greater than -6 write offset by reading the drive's cache, however it is not always reliable and as such is not acceptable for new disc submissions in redump. The recommended custom JB8 firmware avoids having to read from the cache to dump CDs with any write offset (as well as enables unlimited lead-out reading), therefore a JB8 drive with the custom firmware should in theory produce good dumps for any mixed-mode CD. The only technical limitation for audio CDs is the inability to read the first 15 of the 150 sectors in the pregap. This is not a problematic limitation however as the majority of audio CDs do not have audio data that far into the pregap, and Redumper can alert the user for CDs where this occurs. Despite all this, all discs should always be dumped twice to ensure matching hashes, and Redump is not currently accepting new submissions for mixed-mode or audio CDs using JB8 drives until further testing is done to obtain the same level of confidence as Plextor dumps. For more info, see the detailed research notes at Compatible LG/ASUS Optical Drives

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